In this episode of Hello Chaos, host Jennifer Sutton sits down with Robert Kohler, the founder of Kohler Law Group and a serial entrepreneur. They discuss the challenges and struggles that founders face in their entrepreneurial journeys. Join them as they dive into the messy and chaotic minds and lives of founders, sharing real, raw, and unbiased stories. Tune in to gain insights and inspiration from these entrepreneurial experiences. This episode is brought to you by Orange Whip, a multimedia company dedicated to serving founders and entrepreneurs. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation!
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love the music intro. So welcome to Hello Chaos. It's a weekly podcast exploring the messy and chaotic minds and lives of founders, entrepreneurs, and innovators. We talk to founders from different industries at different company stages of all shapes and sizes. We hear real, raw, and unbiased founder stories and why our mantra is where aha meets oh shit. New episodes every Sunday to get you ready for the week ahead. Hello Chaos is one of the many resources that are brought to you by OrangeWIP. That's OrangeWIP, W-I-P, for work in progress. OrangeWIP is a multimedia company dedicated to serving founders and entrepreneurs in affiliate cities. through hyper-local media platforms designed to inform, inspire, and create connections to help founders succeed. OrangeWIP is an all-in-one content hub for founders with fresh and engaging stories, curated calendars, a local dynamic roadmap to navigate the local entrepreneurial ecosystems. We've done all the hard work for founders, so they only need to go to one trusted source in their community to find the local information they need. My name is Jennifer Sutton. My friends and family call me JJ. I'm the founder of OrangeWIP and will be your host today. And on our podcast today, we are welcoming Robert Kohler, the founder of Kohler Law Group, along with many other entrepreneurial endeavors. So welcome, Robert. Thank you very much. Episode 72. Yeah. So we've talked to many founders. Again, just all the struggles, everything they're going through. You've had a vast career. So why don't you just start us off and tell us about your entrepreneurial journey and starting the founder or the Kohler
SPEAKER_02: Okay, thank you very much. So I founded Kohler Law Group over 20 years ago. It's always been a high-tech focused law firm and all attorneys with Kohler Law have at least 25 years practicing high-tech business law. Some of our publicly traded clients include Meta, Facebook, Splunk, Arquetto. Zappos, and a number of others as well. Public companies, they have their own internal legal staff where they just don't have time. They come to Colder Law because we're quick, low cost. And as I mentioned, all attorneys are highly experienced in really high-tech business law. So that's, we've been around, our billable rate is very low. It's currently only $485 an hour, which is much less than most- That is low, yeah. than most law firms and w as well. Um, and we don't have any others. You're legal work. That's it. An so I've been a color law. attorney for a long time o And that's when I founded Cola Law Group. But I've also, I'm a high tech kind of guy. That's just how I've always fit in. That's why the law firm is focused on that. I've also founded and sold in a couple of several high tech companies myself. Some were good. So I made some good money on some not so good. But overall, I still made tens of millions of dollars. So that was good.
SPEAKER_00: So in some of those, I'm just curious in some of those endeavors in the high-tech, were these technology, like, was the software, was this?
SPEAKER_02: The first one was an email company, one of the first email companies ever out there called SiteMail. And I sold that to Zoom, many years ago. That's where I made a good amount of money. But after I sold it to them before they went public after they went public, I that's when I made well over $15 million, which was nice. And then I've also founded and sold a company called Mr. Swap, which where you could basically swap things that you had in your house. And it was good. It was really good. Made some good money on that as well. It was funded by some VCs. So that was good. And I've also had a couple of other not so successful companies, but they were definitely high-tech focused. My focus for my whole life has been in science.
SPEAKER_00: You've got these ideas, you've got these business plans, and then did you start those with the intent of, you know what, I'm going to build it in two or three years or five years, I'm going to exit out?
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, that's kind of that's those are my thoughts, because I just wanted to make some money. So that's what I was thinking back then. And so I sold my house in San Francisco, which I had built for four and a half million dollars, or yeah, four and a half million dollars, which was a beautiful home. I had it, I bought it less expensive had it built, it was great, beautiful place. I had some great parties there and sold it before I moved to Las Vegas because of California's ugly taxes.
SPEAKER_00: Is Nevada a tax-friendly state?
SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, most of my clients for Corolla are not in Nevada. They're typically in California or other states, Massachusetts, for example, things like that. Okay, we do all kinds of high tech, so medical as well. And you know, you name it, but as long as it's something that's smart, smarter than just talking. And we never go to court. I've only been to court personally one time in my entire life, and I don't think I won that case. It was just a stupid case. I was working for a law firm back then. So anyway, I'm not into courts myself, except for other attorneys. Some of my friends who are attorneys, they are.
SPEAKER_00: All right, so as color law group, is it general counselor or do you guys specializing in an IP or contract or?
SPEAKER_02: It's typically contracts, HR, just the day-to-day stuff. That's what all my attorneys do really well and that's what we've always done. So when their internal staff or if a client has other, a law firm they're working with, when they don't have the time or the money to pay for that, they come to color law. because we're relatively inexpensive with such a great attorney. And it's always a one-on-one relationship with the attorney at Kohler Law, so it works out very well for our clients and for my staff.
SPEAKER_00: Nice. So you were doing all these other endeavors and companies. Were you doing that all at the same time that you had Kohler? Yeah, I was. Okay. I was. Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER_02: All my attorneys were doing most of the work. I mean, when I first started practicing law, I was doing a lot of legal work as well. But as I made more money and got out of it, I started just hiring attorneys. And they're all really great people. I've met them all personally. I used to own two restaurants and a nightclub in San Francisco. So I'd have take them out for dinner, their stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I saw that you are also a restaurateur. Do you still own and operate different restaurants?
SPEAKER_02: Well, they've all been sold. Before I moved out of San Francisco, I sold them all.
SPEAKER_00: And the nightclub as well. Very good. So what has inspired you to start Kohler Law, to start and sell these companies? What's been the inspiration behind this?
SPEAKER_02: The inspiration was basically making some money so I could just live and survive and buy a beautiful home and stuff like that and just saving the money. I don't spend a lot of money myself. I bought my home in Vegas And it's probably I'll probably make when I flip it at some point, I'll probably make a million dollars off that as well, because I bought it about five years ago. Didn't live here until about a year and a half ago. But it's still it's a beautiful place and it lives in a really high end area in Las Vegas. It's on it's on it's on Alta Street, which is the one of the only windy streets in Las Vegas, which I love being from San Francisco. I love windy streets.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I ain't gotta fit right in so Uh, what has been the most rewarding part of this journey that you've been on?
SPEAKER_02: It's just a lot of fun. I meet a lot of really wonderful people and I just enjoy all my attorneys are great people I speak with them all the time when they have questions or I have questions for them. So we're always on the phone together. Um You know i've met when I lived in california when I lived in san francisco I'd meet them take them out to one of my restaurants for dinner stuff like that but um Now they're just, they're all still in California, which is great. And clients love it because many of our clients, I'd say a significant portion of COLA clients are based in California. They're all over the country. And I've actually had a very successful and large company in Australia. So it doesn't really matter what country they're in, we'll talk to them.
SPEAKER_00: Well, especially nowadays, post-COVID, I think everyone's now used to the virtual and home base is not necessarily a must have.
SPEAKER_02: I think some of the big companies are getting pissed off about that. They're all trying to get their clients or their attorneys back to them.
SPEAKER_00: Right. Or their employees. They're like, we spent so much money on these buildings.
SPEAKER_01: I know.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly. So tell me about your greatest kind of aha moments of whether it's in, you know, founding a company or in the scale up and startup or in the exit, like what has been the biggest aha?
SPEAKER_02: Well, the biggest flip for me and the biggest aha was when I sold Sightmail for such a great amount of money, such a high amount of money. That was great. I mean, that's kind of what I've really sat on, although my stock market took a lot of that money, over $10 million of mine. But anyway, that was in the past.
SPEAKER_00: Did it surprise you that it sold that much because you didn't think it was like, you were like, whoa, people would see the value and people were willing to put that price tag or just.
SPEAKER_02: It was the stock value. So I flipped it, I slipped it to Zoom and then I held, unfortunately held a lot of their stocks and that went down, that just took my money. It was a dumb decision on my part, but I was so happy about that and said, cool.
SPEAKER_00: So what did you learn from that? What was your lessons learned?
SPEAKER_02: I would have, you know, in hindsight, I should have sold much more of that because I used all my money is with Morgan Stanley and UBS. And I think I told Morgan Stanley just to keep that stock instead of selling it, which I think they kind of wanted me to do, but I ignored them. So I just kept the stock and that's what cost me many, many millions of dollars. I sold more and just put them in, you know, in other investments. I want to keep the money invested. I don't want to take the money out except for building a new house. But other than that, I wish I should have diversified my investments.
SPEAKER_00: It is what it is.
SPEAKER_02: It exactly, that's how I think about it too. I think about it every single day on my runs.
SPEAKER_00: So what's been your biggest like, oh, shit, what have I gotten into? What's been those kind of moments as you've been building your company?
SPEAKER_01: I think it's just
SPEAKER_02: You know, I've just been out. I'm glad I'm out of San Francisco because it was just I know it was just leading to bad decisions on my part. So now I'm in Las Vegas. I'm not a big fan of Las Vegas myself, but it is what it is. I just basically working on my computer in my in my home all day, which is just fine with me. I don't have restaurants anymore. I don't have a nightclub anymore. So that's and I have no interest in even attending those. So it's just keeping me really fit, focused and on what I'm doing right now, which is just building a core law group and hiring additional attorneys when necessary.
SPEAKER_00: OK, well, I'm curious, why? Why Las Vegas? You moved from San Francisco. But like, what was the appeal?
SPEAKER_02: Well, it was so I had a friend really recommend it and I needed to sell after I sold my house in San Francisco for a good amount of money. I made a good amount of money off that as well because I owned it 100 percent. So that was nice. So I got out of there and I decided what to do. Should I buy another house where I love? I'm from San Francisco. It's a ski race and rock climb a lot and stuff like that. So that's really where I wanted to move is to Tahoe. But the friend said just suggested getting a good deal here in Las Vegas at a reasonable price, which will go up because I know values are going up significantly here in Las Vegas. So I'm just giving it a little more time. And one of my investments at UBS is going to take me another six, seven years before I should make many millions out of dollars out of that. And then I'll be then I'll get out of that and I'll be buying another house up there. So that's kind of that's on my personal timeline.
SPEAKER_00: Okay. Um, so if you could pick two things that you would change about Kohler Law Group today, what would they be and why?
SPEAKER_02: It would be, well, I, you know, what I do day by, I don't know if there's anything I could do. Well, I'm reaching out to some other marketing individuals as well. I do have, there's one marketing person that works for Kohler Law, has been working for Kohler Law for a good time and reaching out to new potential clients. That's what I do all day. So I'm kind of bored now. Um,
SPEAKER_00: So you're doing the business development of it, of like, how do I grow?
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I do. That's exactly what I do. And that's what my that's what my the other person I mentioned does as well. OK, so I need to build that more significantly. The only type of clients that I even want to have as a or the only type of potential client for CoreLaw is a high tech company. And it's I reach out to CEOs, CFOs, really high level individuals. And after I have a good call with them, I sign them up.
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's the benefit of the outsourced, you know everyday counsel Where do you think you've struggled the most as a founder personally Just I
SPEAKER_02: just not going out to, you know, I think I sold all the stuff that was just cause I owned a hundred percent of what I went out to. And I've sold those all, which was a good decision because I made some good money on that. And moving to Las Vegas is just what had to happen to get me out of San Francisco. Um, so I don't, there's nothing specific I could think of in the past that, um, I can really, that I can go in, that I feel comfortable with. So it is what it is. I'm just, I'm going forward and I'm just happy with the money I have made. I'm not happy with the money that I have lost, but I'm just continuing to build Coral Law and make more money. And I'm, I haven't started a new company for probably, seven years, eight, five, 10 years, five to seven years. But that's where I'm thinking about doing because I do personally invest in some smaller companies as well. I've known some individuals in California, that's just outside of San Francisco. So I invest in them myself. And I just fingers crossed that goes where it goes. But I've got probably a half a million dollars in those types of companies. And so I turn around and make me some good money.
SPEAKER_00: So are you doing that as more of an angel investor? Yeah, exactly. So what keeps you up at night?
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't sleep a lot to start that. Who does? I usually get like three and a half, four hours of sleep, which I've been doing for many, many years, I think for as long as I've been alive. So I'm not in bed a lot, which is no big deal. Um, but I'm not going out and I'm not going out dancing or anything like that. I'm just watching TV or my computer and stuff like that. So that's a good decision for me not to go out like that anymore, which is great. I feel really comfortable about that.
SPEAKER_00: Very good. So what gets you out of bed in the morning?
SPEAKER_02: Like what really like just, you know, back on my computer and start reaching out to new potential clients. And I usually go for my morning runs. I typically run. Maybe eight to 10 miles a day, get out of the house.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I was going to ask you earlier, like daily discipline routines that you do. So you run eight to 10 miles. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Where do you run? Pardon me? Where do you run?
SPEAKER_02: Do you go into, I just run around in Las Vegas. I've got my kind of little lap I do over and over and over again. That's what I do. And sometimes I'll extend it, but I'm just accustomed to doing my little lap.
SPEAKER_00: So are you into like the five days or the 10 K? Like, are you doing those kinds of things?
SPEAKER_02: Are you just like, yeah, I thought about that. Cause I have a lot of friends that also, you know, suggested that I do that, but I've never, I just get out and I always listen to dance music. Um, DJ spinning. Okay. That's what I do.
SPEAKER_00: Are there any other disciplines or routines that you do other than running?
SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of lazy here. I have a Mercedes that I just had. I just bought. So it's a used one, but it's a beautiful car. So I drive every now and then, but basically I just mountain bike or I run. That's my daily routine.
SPEAKER_00: That's your thing. What else do you do on your free time?
SPEAKER_02: That's what I explained it. I either mountain bike or I go for runs and I just, and you know, I, I have some friends here now as well. So I'll go visit them. or play with their dogs. I don't have any pets. Um, so I'll go play with their dogs. Sometimes they love me. I love playing with them. That's my daily routine.
SPEAKER_00: And you said that you go up to like to Tahoe and ski. Okay.
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love skiing. I used to ski races. I mentioned I snowboard a lot. Rock climb I used to I mean, I've climbed some really large mountains. Um, so I've led those as well. So that's what my, that's what I want to get back into as well.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. That was like, what's next for Robert?
SPEAKER_02: I don't know. That's what I'm thinking about, too. That's exactly what I'm thinking about. I do. I do like starting companies. So that's on my mind as well. I'm not sure what I'm going to do right now, because, you know, AI is all over the place. And I have a lot of friends that are really high level individuals in that area. But I like starting my own company. So I don't know if I have I have really, I'd be successful in starting my own AI company, which it's not even in my mind. I'm just seeing what others are doing. Maybe I'll put some money into appropriate investments where they seem right for me. But right now, I'm just holding my money because stocks are not doing so well. So I mean, I think I'm down. I don't know. I think I'm down a couple percent today. So anyway.
SPEAKER_00: Well, you're not supposed to look at that stuff on a daily basis. That's what people tell me. You're not supposed to do that.
SPEAKER_02: It's just always on my computer. I keep switching to Morgan Stanley and UBS all the time. which is a bad decision, but I can't.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my husband was a stockbroker day trader. So, yeah, he's like, don't look at it.
SPEAKER_02: I know. Yeah, I've heard that several times.
SPEAKER_00: Thank you again for telling me, reminding you to do that. So you said that you love starting. What do you love about starting a company like what is that?
SPEAKER_02: Well, I just get inspired with the possibility of what it can do. Because when I started Sitemail years ago, there was no other email companies. I think AOL had an email out there back then. It was a long time ago. But that was about it. And so I started Sitemail, which was very successful. And we had some of the companies using Sitemail under a different terminology. God, I just forgot the name. Oh, CBS, a number of other really high tech, high level companies have installed Sitemail on their site, which was great. And that's probably why I flipped a company for so much money. A lot of these big companies were using it. Many publicly traded clients were using Sitemail way back then.
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and then, so you love the energy around, we've got this, we're solving a problem, people are using it, and it's kind of like that excitement of growing it. That's a good way to describe it, yes. So when you look at, you know, Colorado, you've had that for 20 years. I have. Yeah. What's been, what do you think has been the biggest, you know, barrier or, you know, as your growth pattern?
SPEAKER_02: Well, when I lived in San Francisco, I would grow it much more quickly. And I had two restaurants there, nightclub, but I'd always take potential clients out to have a bite to eat. Yeah. I would, you know, I'd pay for it all or just beyond that.
SPEAKER_00: Well, you were in Silicon Valley. So it was free, basically. I was like, you had Silicon Valley, like right there. So you can yeah.
SPEAKER_02: I love meeting people. And I always drive down to Silicon Valley to meet potential clients. And so it was great. It was I loved living there. And I miss San Francisco a lot. But I just, as I mentioned, I moved out because of their damn taxes.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now that you're moving in and trying to figure out your new business, kind of your flywheel, right, for business development. That's what you're trying to figure out. That's like that next plateau.
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly right. That was a good way to describe it.
SPEAKER_00: Um, Robert, do you think you'll ever sell, uh, Kohler law or is this something that's like a near and dear of, of it's got your name on it. You're it's kind of a legacy brand or.
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's mine. My name is in my, my name is in it. So Kohler law group, it's not high tech legal. I've definitely thought about something like that, but I had never done that. So, um, anyway. But I have thought about selling it at some point to another where it was appropriate. But I personally just think I'm going to keep it going forever because all my attorneys love it. I pay them very well. They love the clients that I bring to them. So they're really good people. They've been with Kohler Law for a long time. Some of them here, someone with Kohler Law for well over 10 years. Wow. And somewhere like around five years. So they really like it. And many of my attorneys are part-time as well. They do their own legal on their side.
SPEAKER_00: No big deal. So is your business model more of like, Hey, come in, we're, we're an umbrella. You guys, and you kind of, you guys work your own book of business and you get kind of set. So it's, uh, um, really, uh, that's a nice business model that they develop.
SPEAKER_02: My attorneys love it. because they can do their own work on the side. I don't try to even look into what they're doing. And they're always on the spot for color law when it's required. And actually I've had one of my attorneys flew to my client in Australia on my behalf.
SPEAKER_00: It was great. Are they all over?
SPEAKER_02: Attorneys are typically in California. That's where color law is based. I think all the attorneys currently are in California.
SPEAKER_00: Okay. So as you guys are looking to expand your, your target, it's like, no, we need to keep this in California.
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like that. Because everyone, everyone responds very well to a California name. Okay. That's, that's why. Yeah. I don't like it. But my, but on my website, Kohler, Kohler-law.com, it says, it says Nevada, because well, that's where you are, California taxes.
SPEAKER_00: I love it. Um, so, okay. If I, if you looked at your company color, like a year from now, what, what do you want that to look like in terms of a difference in, you know, service and other industry, or maybe, um, do different products or services, or maybe you want your people to grow by 10%. Like what, what do you look at and go one year from now, I want my company to look like X differently.
SPEAKER_02: I see. Well, I mean, personally, I am just looking to get more clients because that means more money to my attorneys and more money to core law group. That's all. And I don't even spend a lot of money, to be honest. So I don't take a lot of money from from our billable whatsoever, because I have an accounting manager and stuff like that doing where I pay very well. Yeah, so that's, so it's not, I appreciate that question, but it's not, that's not on my mind, other than just building core law with more high tech companies, especially with high tech is just blowing up. So I just love that stuff.
SPEAKER_00: So, so if you looked at like, Hey, I want to get, is it like 50 new clients? Is it a hundred? Like what, what's the volume?
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't really have a number set in my mind.
SPEAKER_02: I just do that regularly on a daily basis. I just reach out to new, really high-level individuals and see if they want to have a conversation. And many don't even want to have a conversation because they have their own staff, they have their own internal legal, or they've been using the same law firm for a long time. But many of our clients do have other legal counsel, but they come to COLA for a quick turnaround from an extremely experienced attorney at a very low cost. That's how we fit in really well.
SPEAKER_00: Okay. That's your value proposition? Yes. You get high level of quality and a quick turn response. And a reasonable low cost. Um, that's interesting. Yeah. So what, what would our listeners be surprised to learn about you that you haven't mentioned yet?
SPEAKER_02: Well, our billable rate, as I mentioned, is very low relative to other law firms and for such an experienced attorney who's highly experienced in high tech. And, um, And we turn things around very quickly. Our clients have a one-on-one relationship with the attorney. They don't talk to me necessarily. Sometimes there's a three-way call, but usually it's just a one-on-one with the attorney and it's a quick turn. So the billable rate is, they're just really surprised at our low billable overall.
SPEAKER_00: It's under 500, right? Pardon me? It's under 500, yeah. So I'm going to ask you, I heard this from our attorney that handles all of our IP and trademark, and he was giving me the lay of the land of the agency, because we're in a media company that's Orange Web, but I also run a marketing firm. And marketing firms and law firms are very similar, right? You know, we work on billable hours, we have billable goals for our teams. And he was like, Jennifer, but the big differences between law firms and marketing agency is law firms, the law firm never has a bad year. the lawyer might have a bad year, but the law firm never has a bad year. And that kind of blew me away of, oh my goodness, I don't think, you know, I have not heard of agency models kind of following into the footsteps of law firms, but it was intriguing to me to hear that, put it that way. Is that true? Is that true for you too? Of like, look, my team might have a bad year if they can't hit their billables or whatever, but Kohler never has a bad year.
SPEAKER_02: Well, Kohler doesn't have a bad year. I want to increase the revenues for Kohler Law Group overall. That's just something I've been working on for some time. Since I moved out of California, that's really been my focus a hundred percent. And so that's my personal thoughts on what the bad year is. It's just, I'm taking that on as well. That's what I do on a daily basis is just reach out to new potential clients. I have great calls with them as well. Like I'm really enjoying this time with you as everyone else listening as well. So that's what we do. And I have time and because I don't sleep a lot, I have a lot of time.
SPEAKER_00: I don't sleep either. I'm a four hour a night person.
SPEAKER_02: Nice. We fit together.
SPEAKER_00: I'm right there with you. So, OK, this is going really. I love the conversation, but I've got one last question. And then if you've got questions for me, I'm happy to answer. But one last thing. What are three things that you are either watching, reading right now, like whether it's or listening to like, are you reading? a book, or are you watching certain TV shows, or are you listening to certain podcasts? What are things that are stimulating you from that perspective?
SPEAKER_02: Before this meeting online, I used to have MSNBC on. in the background. I honestly listen to what's going on with the stocks, which I shouldn't do, which you mentioned. However, I do that. I'm just stuck on that. So I will take your suggestion and probably not turn it on after this call either. So what I just do on a daily basis is just really try to Increase I'm not trying to start any more companies. I don't think unless something just comes across comes across Yeah, if you see an opportunity do that, but right now I'm not looking to do that I'm just focused on two percent on cold building cooler law I've sounded a number of companies in the background in my past as well. So I've kind of been there done that I used to have two offices in San Francisco for companies I have founded and stuff. They've all been they've all done really well so at this point My focus is really just on building code of law, continuing to with introducing potential clients to these highly experienced attorneys. And then eventually, once my stocks turn, once my investment at UBS turns around and makes me a good sum of money, I'll be buying another house in Tahoe, skiing and boarding. That's where I'm at.
SPEAKER_00: And, uh, so are there any podcasts you're listening to other than I know? Hello, chaos is probably up there, but are there any other podcasts you're listening to or books that you're reading or like, are you in any TV shows?
SPEAKER_02: You know, some of the books I read are just high level books. Um, and, and I usually, but you know, typically these days I'm on my computer all the time, so I don't even have a lot of time or I'm just relaxing, watching TV.
SPEAKER_00: That's where I'm at these days. Are you into like horror and comedy?
SPEAKER_02: No, I like technology and how the market's doing. That's what I can't help myself, but that's what I always do.
SPEAKER_00: So you're Bloomberg, you're MSNBC, you're like all absorbed in there. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02: Precisely. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: That's a good way to describe it. Well, where can people reach out to you for them to learn more information about you or your law firm?
SPEAKER_02: OK, let me can I give you my email address? Absolutely. OK.
SPEAKER_01: It's our Kohler. That's R-K-O-H-L-E-R. OK. At Kohler, K-O-H-L-E-R dash law, L-A-W dot com.
SPEAKER_00: Very good. We will make sure that we also tag that as we publish this podcast. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02: Is there any lasting advice you would give to the founders, our listeners out there of like, hey, I would say we're a relatively low cost law firm with fantastic lawyers that are just completely focused on high technology. That's what we do. And that's why clients just love us. That's why some of these publicly traded companies with their own internal legal staff come to us when they just don't have the time internally to do turn things around really quickly by a great, great, great attorney. That's why clients just love core law because we turn things around so rapidly at a very low cost.
SPEAKER_00: So for founders out there, if you are looking for a law firm or, you know, don't need because you don't need as a startup or even a scale up, you don't need a full time legal person on staff. So reach out to to Kohler Law Group and they can help you from a from a fractional perspective.
SPEAKER_02: Precisely. All right. Very good way to describe it.
SPEAKER_00: Well, very good. Well, we are out of time. Robert, is there anything else you'd like to say?
SPEAKER_02: No, I really enjoyed this time.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you so very much.
SPEAKER_00: Thank you. All right, Onib. Perfect. That was great. I appreciate you coming on. That was