In this podcast, host Jennifer Sutton interviews Christian Wallace from 6474 Films. Christian discusses how the name of his company is a tribute to his father's football numbers and shares his journey into the film industry. He talks about working as a production assistant in LA and getting the opportunity to visit the set of Christopher Nolan's film Inception. Christian then explains his decision to move back east and settle in Atlanta.
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00:28:32 Stand up for yourself always.
00:35:07 Importance of setting clear goals.
00:41:45 Question yourself, trust your gut.
00:43:09 Stay true to your mission.
00:48:00 Social media can be toxic.
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00:59:30 Marvel movies are just a spectacle.
01:04:37 Stay tuned for next week.
Swell AI Transcript: Ep. 76 Christian Wallace
SPEAKER00: Hey there, welcome to Hello Chaos, weekly podcast exploring the messy and chaotic minds of founders, entrepreneurs, and innovators. We talk to founders from all different industries, different company stages of all shapes and sizes. We hear the real, raw, and unbiased founder stories and why our mantra is where aha meets oh shit. We have new episodes that drop every Sunday, so it helps you get ready for the week. Hello Chaos is one of the many resources brought to you by OrangeWIP. That's OrangeWIP, W-I-P, for work in progress. OrangeWIP is a multimedia company dedicated to serving founders and entrepreneurs in affiliate cities through hyper-local media platforms that are designed to inform, inspire, and create connections to help founders succeed. OrangeWIP is an all-in-one content hub with fresh and engaging stories, curated calendars, dynamic roadmaps to help founders navigate their local entrepreneurial ecosystem. We've done all the hard work for founders, so they only need to go to one trusted place to find the local information they need. My name is Jennifer Sutton. My friends and family call me JJ. I am the founder of OrangeWIP and will be your host today. We have Christian Wallace on our podcast today. He is actor, director, cinematographer with 6467 Films, the man of many talents. Welcome, Christian.
SPEAKER01: Hey. How are you doing? I'm good. It's 6474 films.
SPEAKER_00: Wait, 6474 films?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you said, whatever it was.
SPEAKER_00: I did say, I said 6467. I wrote it down. 6474. Okay. So before we, so welcome to chaos.
SPEAKER_01: Thank you. I mean, that's a good way to start it. I mean, come on.
SPEAKER_00: That's right. So, okay. Tell me about what, what's the name? What's the significant, is that like a street address that you grew up on?
SPEAKER_01: No, it's my current address, no. It is my father played football in high school and college and those were his numbers. And he passed away 10 years ago as my career started to kind of take off. That was his homage. I was like struggling with a name for the company. I was like, what am I going to call this? It needs to have meaning. And it just, it just, I was like, well, that's going to be it.
SPEAKER_00: It just has to be. 6474 films. Yeah. all right yeah well I'm excited you're with us today I'm excited to be here thank you and I'm excited to see you I cannot believe that it feels like it was a minute ago that we were working together on a project and uh and you were like John for that was in February I mean, time flies. It's going to be here before it'll be a whole year. Yeah. OK, so tell us about your entrepreneur. You said 10 years ago you kind of took off in your career. And so tell us about your entrepreneurial journey.
SPEAKER_01: Oh, gosh. Well. When I was in high school, I always wanted to like, well, since I was a kid, really, I wanted to be a filmmaker and an actor. It was like, no question. It was always going to be it. I mean, every week I would come home and I'd be like, well, I'm going to be a lawyer or I'm going to be a doctor.
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no, I'm going to be either in front of the camera or behind the camera. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: I just want to be everything. And I was like, I have too many career choices. Like, I want to do this. I want to do that. And I was like, no. So in 2009, I moved out to LA and immediately got a job working as a production assistant, which was very lucky.
SPEAKER_00: Did you work for a studio as a production assistant?
SPEAKER_01: Kind of like Magical Elves is the name of it. Okay. They produce Top Chef and lots of other shows. So I got to like, I was an office PA and I would bounce between downtown Los Angeles and then Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, which is great. Go back and forth and like do runs and errands all day.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: And it was a really amazing experience because, you know, to be thrown into it immediately. And in our office space, my favorite director, one of my favorite directors, Christopher Nolan, was shooting his film Inception. What? Yeah. So it just happened that I got to actually go on the set. because the building manager knew that I was a fan and brought me around. I got to meet crew and things like that and got to see him kind of direct briefly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: Cool. See that behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Yeah. And so it just kind of that that mystique of the film industry was just never like they're kind of because like it was like that wall just was dropped immediately. Wow. Like this is accessible. It's like it's it's right there. Yeah. Right. You've got to work hard, though, and you've got to put the hours in if you want to have the success.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah. So so then you said, OK, I'm going to start my I'm going to get into it. Did you go into like acting route and really jumped into that or did you go behind the camera? Like what was that next journey?
SPEAKER_01: So the next journey was I was out there and I took like a class and then it just I was working so much I wasn't able to really focus. And my dad's health was kind of declining and I knew that like things were happening in the east. So I wanted to kind of be close to him. So I decided to move back east and move to Atlanta. Okay. I was thinking about going to film school, going to Savannah college of art and design. And I started, I like started doing acting classes and enrolled in that and was doing that here. And then I just auditioned for a student film, uh, down at the, at SCAD. And it just kind of rolled from there. Like I did one movie, then I did another, and then another, and then another, and just kind of kept that momentum going and got my first agent through doing that. So that was great. And like I said earlier about the film company, unfortunately my father passed right around that time. So that kind of, you know, really Yeah, it just threw kind of a wrench into everything for a little bit. Yeah. Oh, you know, and you're so you start trying to figure out like your next path and what your next journey is. So right. You know, no path is the same and no direct path to it. So
SPEAKER_00: And you're still acting. I mean, you're still doing, yeah, you're kind of doing, you know, whatever. And I feel like that's the industry in general of, you know, you have the love for acting, but a lot of people are multi, you know, multi-talented or multi-whatever titled of they direct, they, you know, they're a cinematographer, they also act. It's just, it's a tough, you know, film and TV is not an easy business.
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not. And like, you know, you start to like, audition and you're like, Oh, this, you know, okay, I connect with this one. But then it's like, thug number three, or, you know, criminal four, or soldier number five.
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, Okay, and we're like interview with the vampire, you look too much like the lead.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that'll happen. Yeah. Yeah. You'll get that. You'll get that. And then you'll get like, you know, so it's, it's, but I like doing like character roles. Like I've always been like, kind of enjoyed that. And that's kind of, you just have more fun with them, especially in the early like stages of a career. Like a static lead is just like, I mean, everybody wants to be one you feel like, but it's more fun to play like background characters or not background characters, but like the supporting cast and things.
SPEAKER_00: Right. You have more fun. You can tell a little bit different story. Mm-hmm. Yeah Well, are there so obviously you're coming off an industry of what the longest? Strike in history. Oh, yeah. Yeah How was how did that affect you?
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's like fun because every time I just seems like you've got to adapt because You know, last year I signed with a new agency out of New Orleans and they're fantastic. And I've been doing, getting a lot of auditions. And right before the strike, there was a Netflix show that I was auditioning for. And they were like, they'd send me a role smaller than they'd send me another one, a little bigger than another one, even bigger. And it was like, they were wanting, you know, me back like they're asking me to and then the strike happens and i'm like did the project get killed or i don't know i need to check and see if it got killed i don't think it did but you know everything's kind of like it's in kind of getting back start started back up of course like it's like right now there's not a lot um right um so we'll see where it goes in the new year but that's why i'm always constantly trying to create new stories and different you know angles on things and figure out like what's the next step what do i need to do to adapt and what can I do to keep my creative juices flowing.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. So, so what did you do during, did you do any new projects on your own? I know the last time I talked to you were kind of working on a podcast and you said that's, that's kind of, but it's more not a podcast like this. You were doing a podcast that was more like a, like a storytelling series, like a, almost like old school, like a radio show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, and you said that's even evolved. Is that what you were doing during the strike?
SPEAKER_01: When you're during the strike, I was writing like re like going back to the drawing board on another script I had written that I'm going to be in that one. So it was like, I'm going to direct it and star in it. But like, it's just a short but then I started writing on like coming up with other ideas for other actors that I know that I'm trying to give them a place that they can like show their talents and showcase. Because when I was starting out, I loved getting roles that like, I don't know, I just felt connected with the character and I loved it so much and just doing it. And I had that opportunity. And I want to give that to other people that I know. So I'm trying to work on maybe things that I'm not necessarily in that I can just do the camera and direct. And that's kind of like where I'm at with this, like the new year. And then the podcast is so fun story about chaos. I, uh, two years ago, well, yeah, I guess it was two years ago. I started working for a company that does the live stream of the Miss USA beauty pageants. And it just kind of fell into my lap. It's like, never knew that I'd be doing that. I worked on a reality show years ago where it was like a beauty Queens. It was a show about beauty Queens. And, um, I had a great time with that working with the, the talent and everything had a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00: Is this something that's done by, is it, is it Trump's company that, or is this a whole?
SPEAKER_01: It used to be. It used to be. I think he used to have involvement. I hear his name come up occasionally. And then, you know, you just kind of hear that and then you just go, wrong, you know. Oh, gosh. So yeah, you'll hear him come up occasionally. So that's interesting. But I was working actually when we were working for you when I was doing the chamber video when I was editing it I was in Kentucky doing a live you were doing one of the shows doing that coming back to the hotel room editing Getting up at four in the morning to finish it to send off to you and then going and doing a live feed that day So I mean that's chaos, but I enjoy that like I like having to get up at four in the morning and finish a cut And like have a deadline that I'm like crunched like I got it done, right?
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's invigorating. Yeah So, so how was the your your podcast? How was it evolving?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally just went off on a tangent. Yeah, so well, what happened was, I had this original idea for the outline of the of the show, because it's, it is like a narrative podcast, like old radio dramas. But the whole idea was, it was kind of prompted by coast to coast am, which was like this Colin show back in the day, where people would call in about all these paranormal and strange things that happened to them. And so it came from that idea. And it evolved with my friend and like kind of writing partner that we're working on this together. And it changed from just being a call in show that was going to be a lot of improv to now it's we're in the studio, but then it goes outside of the studio and just finding ways to like have the recordings feel organic and natural to tell the narrative that way. And now it's got like a whole cult thing involved with it. There's a whole big story. It always like, I've got to just keep things simple, but I love to get like into that. Cause um, I know we had talked when I worked with you, you're a big fan of a supernatural, right?
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And so it's kind of like, people love that stuff and like having that world building and the,
SPEAKER_00: When you've got like the, the, what is that show? Was it ghost? It's not Ghostbusters, but it's, um, it's the stupidest show on cable. Are you talking about Ghost Adventures? Yes. It is the, like, it's been going on for what, 20 some seasons and it's the, they've never had any paranormal activity. The dumbest, it's the dumbest show.
SPEAKER_01: That is my guilty pleasure. I don't want, I don't even like saying guilty pleasure, but I haven't watched it in a while, but I used to watch it with my friends.
SPEAKER_00: I think I watch it just to make fun of it. That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_01: Like, Oh my gosh, I love it. Just Zach Bagans. Like we're going to go and find a ghost today. And he just always is taunting them. I'm like, if they're real, why are you taunting them?
SPEAKER_00: That's right. And like the equipment. That's not real. I mean, like, he making stuff up. Yeah. So I, I don't watch it, like, religiously. I just, you know, I'll, it's when you just find it. And you're just like, Oh, my gosh, I cannot believe this show is still on air.
SPEAKER_01: I cannot believe that any and that's like has he ever found has he ever found a ghost he has but apparently there's a oh there's a really great one I forget is it I'm yeah I think it's called demon house it was a movie they made and it was a live stream And it's why this stuff doesn't work, because it's like, I felt a chill up my back. And I'm like, well, I didn't see that. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, I have to take your word for it. But oh my gosh, yeah, just
SPEAKER_00: But see, but you're hitting in a genre that is pretty popular, especially in, you know, more multimedia listener radio. People would go and like, want to uncover the, they would watch the videos, you know, if you sent them there. So yeah, that's, um, so that's being produced by 6474.
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah that that is yeah that's what like um yeah that's the thing and we're doing that and like getting really creative with how we're going to record it. I've already shot like two little promo videos to kind of because I do want to do a video component to it so each episode you know the season doesn't go it's not too long.
SPEAKER_00: It's got to be multiple. I mean, that's, I think where a lot of the shows are going when you look at like how the boys, I don't know if you're a boys fan, but yeah, but I mean how they're taking it and you got, you know, in social media, you've gotten Vought HQ that has their own channels and they battle the boys, you know, social media. And it's, you know, it's going off meta and you know, all the different, uh, dimensions, um, which I think from like a marketing standpoint, like what, like, you know, like I just said, I'm a huge,
SPEAKER_01: uh Christopher Nolan fan and back in the day when The Dark Knight came out they did an amazing campaign where it was viral and they put out newspaper clippings they had these fake tv ads you could go like in certain cities they would like show the bat signal up on things and it was like it got group involvement and I mean that movie I don't know how many billions or if just a billion, but I mean, it killed the box. It was the biggest movie. I mean, it was. Yeah. But I think that's the word.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, an incredible film to this day. But like he's always doing innovative things. And I mean, look at the success with. We're talking about film and everything and about multimedia and how it's changing and evolving. But Oppenheimer was shot analog on film and then the biggest movie and it sold out like I had to drive 40 miles to go and get a 4k of that movie the other day. Oh my god, everywhere. Like, and everybody's saying physical media is dead, but it's not. It evolves. You know, everything comes back around.
SPEAKER_00: It does. I will, you know, I have to watch things. There's certain things that you just have to watch on the big screen. It's just, it is not going to do it justice. Like, and Oppenheimer was one of those. Like, you had to watch it on the big screen. So how do you so when you come up with these ideas is this like is this just more for creative outlet like how do you do you pitch it to like a studio or a distributor or a sponsor like how how do you guys work that in in this industry? It's so tough.
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing trying to find well that's kind of like kind of my next thing is navigating is finding like a really good producer because I've always worked for other people and I love you know like acting and not having to think about those things but if you're wanting to tell these stories that's it's that finding that next like component of like somebody who can get these things put together and get it ready to present it to someone and having enough ideas. Like so the idea with the podcast is you can independently do that. I can easily put this out on the internet. Hopefully people listen to it. But like, you know, it's got to start, you know, it's never if I don't have things out there, I'm never going to have attention on anything. So the idea for that with with this podcast is making it to show kind of like storytelling, character acting, directing, all of those things in one package, I guess, is kind of my way of doing it without having to do a film, which can be really time consuming. I love making shorts and things like that, but Unless you have a backer behind that to really get that into festivals, no one's really gonna like, so it's like YouTube. I mean, and that's the thing is YouTube is changing things. Yeah, a lot of ways. A horror movie hit by a 24 talked to me that came out, it was made by two YouTubers. And it's a great movie. I mean, one of the best movies I've seen this year. So I don't know, coming at it with like a different angle and working to get this show ready and kind of pitching it, I guess.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Is there a certain way? Like, do you have to put together? Is it a pitch book? Is it a like a. Do you just show kind of like, hey, this is my this is a mock up of it. You kind of get a feel like it's like a story Bible.
SPEAKER_01: There's like stranger things that the Duffer brothers did a really great one. They made it look like 1980s worn out, like Stephen King book.
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's kind of like, you know, I'm in an agency when we go and make pitches, you know, and you do RFP proposals, you do mock-ups, you put things in like boxes or whatever that or, you know, whatever the casing is, or, you know, we're trying to help clients even with like their three-dimensional kind of Customer I caught you know that the big media kits and pitch books Is it like that where you like you are trying to give the flavor of that in just you know in its encasement?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's you can you have like character breakdowns with bios and that's what I'm doing with whal so you've got the main character in his background and producer like you know And that, and so you've got that. And then you also have what's the theme of the overall story. And so I'll have like pictures and, you know, some of this stuff is based. So it's taking like a different angle because it started in one place. Now it's evolving into this other place. And, and so part of the lookbook is changing because over the summer talking about chaos, I was shooting, I was doing the live stream and doing pageants. I was in Orlando, Little Rock, Arkansas, and then Miami. And so it was like, like two months almost. Oh, yeah. In the dead of like this horrible, just middle of summer in Miami. I just, please don't like make me go outside. I can't stand. And, and Little Rock too, it was awful. But so in between, I was, you know, working these really long hours, but I would come back to the room and I would start writing and just write. And then I had this little recorder with me and I just start talking in character like voices and trying to develop the idea. So I write that, I get back. in August, September, kind of getting around with it, looking at it and going, I don't like this. And I threw everything out starting from scratch because it just, I don't know. It didn't feel right. It didn't. And so now that's what I've been doing is piecing things back together, writing the script, kind of just when these ideas will come. And now it's just evolving into more of a character drama and I'm way happier with where it's going now.
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's good. And then you getting it ready to pitch to a producer.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know. Cause I made the, I'm ambitious. Like last year I filmed these things. I was like coming in 2023 and I'm like, it's fine.
SPEAKER_00: It's not a big deal. People know that you got at least a three or four month kind of stay. Cause of the, cause of the, the strike. Yeah, we'll say it's the strike's fault. We'll say the strike's fault. That's right. So, so with the strike and all of that, that junk, like how, how else of your journey, like from an actor perspective, there were no auditions, like everything was shut down, right?
SPEAKER_01: There were, there were few, few and far between.
SPEAKER_00: Or were there independent projects that you can.
SPEAKER_01: budget weird but like really small budgets and you know it was just kind of hit and miss with it, and it would come through and. Luckily, like I said, my agent's really supportive. So if I don't really feel something, she's like, it's totally fine.
SPEAKER_00: If you want to, if you want to pass. Okay. So you were talking about also as you're developing things, how do you, how do you bring other actors and stuff? So it's like, you're, you know, you're becoming that, um, that magnet, right. Of, supporting other actors, writing their characters or whatever. Are you, is it you tapping into like the the Atlanta kind of creative community or are you tapping in the New Orleans because that's where your agent is? Like where's your, where's your community that you kind of source inspiration from?
SPEAKER_01: Well, for me, it's been, or is it LA? It's Atlanta. Okay. Yeah. It's Atlanta, um, right now because, um, unfortunately because of my schedule and having to go out of town so much, I can't be heavily involved in an acting class, which is where you meet community. So instead I do what they call like improv jams. So it's like improvisers will get together, host these things where people can come and just jump in and do it. And so like tonight there's one, I'll probably go and just, I won't participate. I'll just watch. Cause I'm looking for a couple of- You're looking for talent. Right. For some ideas that I've got. And that's where I've met other creatives that I'm working with right now. Like the co-writer on the show met through improv and he's a fantastic director, improviser, like everything. Like he's really great. And we just connected. Like you just know it when you have like these meetings with people, if it's going to work, you just kind of click. Um, and that's where, yeah, it's just going to these things, meeting people, getting into that community and just finding people that really have something and kind of not writing it for them. Cause that's sometimes that's a dangerous, but that's kind of where I'm at right now with these things.
SPEAKER_00: Like how do you collaborate with somebody? Can someone lift it up and yeah. Okay. So where do you, where are you sourcing your inspiration?
SPEAKER_01: Everywhere, everywhere. Yeah. I mean, truly, in the past, in the present, in the future. Yeah. Yeah. I just, like I said, the radio story, that idea came from my dad having me listen to radio dramas growing up, like The Shadow and Lights Out and Suspense, all these things. I don't know. Very often I feel very drawn to horror, but I don't want to make a horror movie, but there's always elements of that in stuff that I'm doing. That's right. Because I don't want to make a straight-up like genre picture, but like it's nice to always kind of have little bits of Horror in something.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah a little thriller. Well, yeah put you on edge So, how do you deal with stress? I mean you're you're juggling a lot like you're you're cinematographer kind of running these beauty pageant shows and and filming and then you're producing. How are you dealing with, how do you deal with stress?
SPEAKER_01: The gym. I was not a gym person really. I always wanted to do working out stuff. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that I just signed up for a membership and I was like, I'm just going to do this.
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to… So they got you. They got you.
SPEAKER_01: They got me. Well, it was Planet Fitness, which everybody makes fun of. I'm like, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. It works for me. I go in, I do what I need to do and I leave. And yeah, it was that and not killing myself, just going, all right, I'm going to do this when I'm there and I'll go every other day. And sometimes I go every day, it just depends. But like, it was just, and I just- That's your discipline. Yeah. I saw that change happen after that. The discipline, also just being able to carry camera equipment. and to be able to shoulder a camera for like an hour or two hours at a time. It really helped with that because, you know, I needed to build up some muscle because I just, you know, and that's true.
SPEAKER_00: You don't even think about it. Yeah. But that's that would be important. Yeah. To do.
SPEAKER_01: Sitting there with a camera and you're like hunched over and you can't like, yeah, I needed to.
SPEAKER_00: So what do you feel has been your greatest kind of aha moment, whether it's been in your journey or the industry? Like what's the biggest aha moment you've had?
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I stumped you.
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, no, I'll tell you, I might be a good one and it's not to be like a negative thing, but, um, In the industry, there's always going to be temperamental personalities. There's going to be people who don't agree and you thought they had your back and then they don't anymore. So people are going to let you down, but you don't let yourself down, I think, because you've always got to have your back because others are going to let you down, but you just got to keep going. So there are people that don't, but I mean, everybody's going to let you down at some point in some way. It doesn't have to be a huge, like grand scale let down, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00: All right. We've I don't know if this is somebody I'm going to we've got a comment that's come in from a Noah Stevens. Is that somebody you know? No. OK. Hey, Noah, we'll give you a shout out. We're having a great time. Someone's like, hey, are you guys having a good time? Yes, we are. I was like, well, maybe they're a fan of Christian.
SPEAKER_01: No, I know. But not a Noah Stevens.
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's somebody that, uh, had one of our, one of our fans, I guess. Um, so, okay. So what has then surprised you the most about journey industry? Weren't like the, um, like surprised you? Oh, well, I was like more of like an, Oh shit. Like the Oh shit moment of like, and how'd you handle it?
SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, Oh shit. Good. Or Oh shit. Bad.
SPEAKER_00: Oh shit. Bad.
SPEAKER_01: Oh shit. Bad.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I don't know. Have you had any bad oh shit moments? Oh yeah, sure. That I want to share.
SPEAKER_01: I don't know. Like I said, the not having the back, like having someone that I really thought was on my side and then just totally like pulling the rug out from underneath me happened like, like a backstab.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah. Was it, was this in business or was this kind of in a, um, as in like, was this a, like a business venture or no, it was more like on a job.
SPEAKER_01: It was like a job that someone that I thought had my back helped me get, and then just kind of didn't have my back.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Yeah. In an abusive situation with the client.
SPEAKER_00: It was a very abusive client and it was like, someone threw you under the bus.
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: And did not take accountability for their own.
SPEAKER_01: But stand up for yourself because it, you know, it was not that long in the grand scheme of things, but it was a thing that turned into, I'm going to say it was a legal battle, but I ended up winning and because I stood up for myself.
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that is a lessons are you've got, you've got to do that. You've got to, um, we, I had that experience at the, what my year three in business, I had, um, a close friend who I thought I knew, um, we are clearly not close anymore, but, uh, someone that I thought was a friend of brought a project to us and we thought we had all the contract situation and it was new for me you know doing contracts and She kind of, you know, I was like, should I send this to my lawyer? She was like, no, we've got it. We're good. It's, you know, and totally conned, scammed. We ended up, you know, going to court and literally, watched her lie on stand. Like, just lie, lie, lie through, like, and that's where you're like, you don't know people. And when it becomes power and money, and they're threatened by it, it's amazing how people will throw out their morals, their values, and you see the real people. And that was kind of like, I was like, I can't believe a person that I thought was a friend would ever do that. and that was like my lawyer sent me she was like never like when it comes to business just hide behind processes hide behind contract like don't ever let anybody convince you otherwise um fight for yourself and speak up and you know have as much proof but it was just yeah that was my that was a hard lesson for me and it hurts especially when you know when you think you know somebody it makes it like it burns even worse oh yeah it's like salt in the wound Not that, you know, yeah, it's shitty to go through court and legal and all that, if it's a stranger.
SPEAKER_01: But when it's a friend, just I'm just like, I want to avoid all that as much as like, I've seen that. And I'm like, I just avoid it.
SPEAKER_00: Just avoid it. Like, that's where like, that was our as as a We kind of told ourselves of that was the whole legal process going through that and getting lectured by a lawyer who was just like, you're new, like you are going, you are three, you know, you're less than three years old as a company. people are going to take advantage of you. So they're going to throw these big projects and just know you need to get your contracts, stand by them. If people are arguing about your rules of engagement, do not do business with them. That was like I'm like, yeah, but I want to do business with them. I want that project. And they're like, it's not worth it. Because if they are willing to bully you into changing your rules, I mean, there's some things that you can negotiate. But there are some, you know, you're deal breakers. And they're like, when you uh go against those and and when and when we've modified those over the years like we've said oh we can let that we have been burned every single time we you know and that that's why the last like two year two three years ago we were just like this is it We have been burned enough. It doesn't matter. It's a we hide behind our processes. We hide behind our contracts. They're there for a reason. But yeah, but that first one, man, that hurt. That hurt. That was painful.
SPEAKER_01: What's like and it's thing is like coming from like the angle of working in film and television. when your crew, sometimes you work, like I was doing a job out in LA where, um, we worked like a 14 hour day one day. And then the next day, the call, we didn't have a turnaround, but it was non-union. So it was like, well, you kind of have to do that. And it was like a week long job and it was fine. It paid well, but, um, That's the thing is the contracts, they protect everybody and your health, your mental and physical health, working those long hours. Like I'm not opposed to safety, but yeah, safety, like you've got to have enough sleep. Right. Um, that was the thing. Like, I mean, and it was not my, it had nothing to do with the turnaround for the job that I was on. Um, when we were doing a live feed and we were done with a show, we broke everything down and we had to leave at, I think meet at 5am the next morning. And like we had torn everything down the night before we were done about eight o'clock. I get back to the hotel room and for whatever reason, every other night I'm fine. Like I can go to sleep. That night I couldn't. And then like I'm exhausted and I've got to work the next day when we get to the next location for a little bit. But luckily, like I was able to sleep on the plane and in like the sky lounge a little bit like like maybe got an hour or two. And I was just my body was just feeling it. You know, like at the end of the day, I was just so exhausted. But like that had no, you know, that was my fault. My brain couldn't shut down.
SPEAKER_00: Right? I don't know. That's human.
SPEAKER_01: I know. That's so annoying, though, like that those times when like you're really good and you're like, I'm up at 5 a.m. I feel great.
SPEAKER_00: And then other times you're like, I don't ever feel that way. Like 5 a.m. Wake up. No way. I'm an evening person.
SPEAKER_01: I am, but I adapt. Like if I'm on a shoot, like when I'm at home working on like my own personal stuff, I'll write, I'll stay up until 12, one, two, sometimes it just depends. And then I'll just get up whenever I get up. Like I've tried to have like a schedule, but like if it's me working for myself,
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah, that's whatever. So, OK, what's been your what's been your greatest? Oh, shit moment. That's good.
SPEAKER_01: Greatest. Oh, shit moment. That's good. I think just like getting out to L.A. the first time and just landing a job and just seeing that it was just like, oh, this is totally doable, but like not having like having goals like I think early on, I should have had more goals in mind because I just was kind of enjoying the process and like seeing like where my journey was going. Yeah, I should have probably had more. I mean, I did have some goals, but like, you know, when I was like, came back and I was like, well, I want to get I want to get into. like get an acting real together. And then when I made that goal, that happened. So like, you know, but I think earlier on, I should have maybe a little bit like a little more defined on those goals.
SPEAKER_00: Is there is there a goal that you have now of as you look ahead to go, I really want to be in a TV, like I have like a long term, like a regular character status or, you know, or a big like, you know, film project, you got Marvel in your back door. I know Marvel's right here.
SPEAKER_01: No, I'll tell you my goal. I know it's like, so it's just it truly is. And I don't care how long it takes to get there. I don't care if I'm like, well, I hope you'd still be around me, but be more like maybe in my 50s or something. I don't know. I really desperately would like to work with Christopher Nolan one day as an actor. Yeah as an actor, okay Yeah, that would be my that's like your that's like your gold. That's it, you know Yeah, so that would be like the ultimate goal but uh, you know in before that it's like the other things of like building up to that and You know, yeah, try to try to work all the way around him Yeah. And then David Fincher. I like all the directors. Let me just start naming all of them.
SPEAKER_00: Would you work with them as crew to get to know them?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even that. Even if it wasn't like an act. Because acting, I love it. But I don't know. I just kind of enjoy seeing where it's going now. And I am dedicated to it when I get a role. But I really want the role to be really meaningful and really connect with it. But like if yeah, if I had an opportunity to do like any kind of like crew stuff on a Christopher Nolan thing, I'd yeah.
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and so do you have any goals set for like, where do you want to see your film company like or or these projects? You're like, man, if I could just get, you know, this project into a
SPEAKER_01: uh distributor or whatever producer is is like what's what's that dream dream goal for you i really want to see the podcast whal i want to see that get on netflix on in some way i do i have to be netflix or hbo or Whatever it turns into if it evolves into a feature film, then that would be great I mean I have an idea for a feature that would be based on these characters because I love these characters and I'm just I'm enjoying spending time with them.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. No, how do I bring those to life? Yeah. Yeah and So if so, I know you said about having goals. Is there anything else if you hit rewind? Is there anything else you would do differently?
SPEAKER_01: No
SPEAKER_00: the journey has taken you where you are.
SPEAKER_01: I guess. I don't know. Like, I mean, you could say all that, but it's like I, cause I look back and I'm like, well, maybe if I'd done this, I'm like, but I got to this place because of this. And then now I'm here because of that. And to me, no, because like, it really has shaped me as a storyteller with the things that have happened to me. I mean, like you gotta have experiences. You can't just go in a classroom and you know, like, So all the good and all the bad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: All right. Yeah. Um, so what would be, what do you think we would be most surprised to learn about you? That's like not on your resume or not anything like on social, like what's something that we would all be surprised to learn about you.
SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
SPEAKER_00: Any little nuggets.
SPEAKER_01: Well, I do, I do post photos of my cat. So you wouldn't be surprised about this. But like, I, I am a sucker for like, doing things like helping cats, because during the pandemic, there was a mama cat that gave birth to kittens. Oh, around Yeah, where I was staying at the time. And so you got some nice kind of took care of them, help take care of them and get them, you know, I've done that, like raised kittens and like fostered them. And so I'm very like gentle with that kind of thing. I don't know. I have a real soft spot for animals, for felines, for felines in particular, but all animals. But yeah.
SPEAKER_00: Do you have any, what's your, what's the cat's name? Is it a fun?
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's, it's Cal Cal.
SPEAKER_00: Why? Why?
SPEAKER_01: Okay. So I was living in California at the time. Okay. He was a rescue. He was found underneath a truck tire in like a, I can't even remember where, like north of Los Angeles. And he was two weeks old, maybe. So I had to like bottle feed him and everything.
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you are a caretaker.
SPEAKER_01: He looked like a little bat. And my girlfriend at the time was like, oh, he looks like, or this like breed of bat. And I was like, oh, that's too long of a name to call that cat. So we'll just call him Cal. And then it was also kind of like Superman's Kal-El. And I was like, oh, because he's like an orphan.
SPEAKER_00: That would've been fun, Kal-El.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. But he's also a bat, so he's like, he's a combination of Batman and Superman, I guess. There you go. That's it. I don't know. But yeah, he's a character.
SPEAKER_00: As a founder, entrepreneur, where do you feel like you have struggled the most?
SPEAKER_01: I would say, hmm. being able to really focus. I think that comes back to getting back, getting into the gym because it really helps my brain to focus. Yeah. So when I do that, I'm able to come back and really hone in on things, but also getting into the, getting up to do the task. Cause once I'm in the rhythm, it doesn't stop, but it's just getting it there.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of us struggle with that.
SPEAKER_01: It's daunting. You try to see, I have the problem going big picture, big picture. And I'm like, today needs to be little picture. little picture, just don't, you're trying to take on too much in one day.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I have that problem. So what advice would you give other people, other founders, entrepreneurs that you're like, don't do what I did, do this, or yeah, follow this guy because it worked for me. What advice would you give them?
SPEAKER_01: I think it's really good to question yourself. That's going to sound like we're like, I don't know if it's going to sound right. Question yourself, but don't second guess yourself, if that makes sense. I don't know if you can say those two things, but I feel like you should always kind of go, well, how should I go about this? Is there a different angle I can take? But once you've got that and you feel something in your gut, don't second guess yourself when someone else comes along and starts picking it apart and trying to tell you to do it differently. I feel like it's good to get opinions from other people, but take one part of what they say, but don't take If they see a problem with it, recognize the problem. Don't take their solution to it. You've got to find your own solution. Because I think that that, yeah. People have a way of seeing problems that you're not seeing, but their solution isn't necessarily going to be right.
SPEAKER_00: Right. Or, or it might be like, you know, you get people's feedback of, of, I don't like the name or, you know, like the little was there, like, what's the problem? Like, what's the issue? Is it subjective? Is it objective? And you're right. I know that's something that I've had to challenge. I've heard that from other founders that we've interviewed on the show. And they've said, look, you'll get all sorts of opinions. There is no short of opinions of stuff, but it's like, you know your business, you know what you want to achieve, you know your product, don't let all those opinions change it to be something that you no longer recognize. And you're right, it's like solve, they've identified the problem, but you work out the solution. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. So you said, question yourself. So have some of that self edit, you know, that's like the self problem, like, am I doing it right? But don't second guess yourself, kind of stay true to, to the, to the mission. Um, so what, I know you go to the gym and you got a cat, what else do you do for your free time?
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's all it's all my gosh.
SPEAKER_00: And you're doing improv. You're going all these.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's sadly it's all related to film in some way. I'm like, I need other and I'm like, No, I don't. Um, I have recently, it was like a couple months ago. Um, I got into shooting 35 millimeter film, like actual like cameras, like old cameras. And one, I just happened upon, it was a Minolta X 700 and with like a 50 millimeter lens on it. And I just happened upon it. It was a great deal. And I was like, I've been wanting to get into film. So I pick it up and get a roll for it. And then just out of nowhere, Atlanta, we got one in the area called Little Five Points, a film lab that developed.
SPEAKER_00: I was going to ask him, like, is there anybody developing?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can send well, there's a couple I think there's a couple here in Atlanta, like two others on the outskirts, like outside the perimeter, I think, but there's places like the dark lab and website, so you can send it off to you, like you mail off your film, and then like, all that, but you know, you risk losing it. I don't know. The whole point is that, like, I couldn't believe it. Like, so I was just like doing a little like daily, like, or weekly, like exploration into the city just to see what else is going on, like all the shops and stuff. And so I go to little five and I'm walking to this oddity store, which has like just weird stuff, like, you know, taxidermy lions and things like that. And, um, so I'm walking to that and I look up and I'm like, film lab, wait a minute. It looks like a grocery store. And I go in and I'm like, Oh my gosh, they have all these different types of film. They develop. And I was just, I couldn't believe it. I was like, so happy. Yeah, it was meant to be that I got into it. And then a friend of my good friend of mine, who's a director cinematographer, had an old Pentax camera. And I told him I was like, I really want one of these. And he's like, I have one sitting around here. It is and he just gives it to me. So like, I'm testing out a role on that. We'll see how it turns out. But yeah, it's just it's made me a better cinematographer. It's made me better with composition and things I really like. I it, I decided when I got that, I was like, I'm going to stop shooting things with my phone, taking pictures with this, and I'm going to be more present. And it helped me like with my meditation and my mindset to go out on a journey to go today, I'm going to take photos of this, this, and this, and like really just figure it out, set it up and just be present and not just click away.
SPEAKER_00: And lighting. Oh, yeah. And the playing with lighting and all that.
SPEAKER_01: It's just beautiful. And there's just nothing quite like it. But it's just like, yeah, it's every time I get into something, I just read everything I can about it. And I get obsessed. And then it's just like, do you think we'll see a comeback?
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah. And like, in the big industry of film and TV, do you think we'll ever see the comeback of
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, well, with Christopher Nolan shooting and creating black and white 65 millimeter film, you know, Kodak created never existed before that. I mean, we'll see. I don't know. It's possible.
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're saying vinyls all make a comeback.
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah. And we'll physical media again. Like, I don't know. I think people want to have, and that's true. It's like, you know, if you buy something on streaming, the services, the streaming services can come in and take it away and then they can like, you don't own anything. Don't you used to like, that was the thing digitally used to be able to download it and put it on a hard drive or something. I don't know. I still, yeah. If I can, if it's in my budget, I'll buy physical media just because I like having it on the shelf.
SPEAKER_00: One, it's like, that's the thing, you know, all these, you know, tick tockers and YouTubers is like effect. If it goes, you've lost your, like, you've lost it.
SPEAKER_01: You don't have a tick tock. I'm not getting, I'm like, I refuse to have it. If I have to have one for something related to this podcast or something I'm doing, I'm like, someone else can do it. I'm not doing it.
SPEAKER_00: You'll need to have somebody do a reaction, fit a video on tick tock for you.
SPEAKER_01: I just I can't like I you're like, I can't refuse Graham like once then that was funny because that's where this request for the show came through because I don't get on there anymore. Yeah. And I was like, Wait, what? And I was like, But like, I mean, a lot of my friends will message me on there. And I'm like, they're like, I messaged you about doing this. I'm like, Can you just text me or call me like, don't? I don't check this. It's like, I don't. Yeah, I just I try to get away from it. Because it's just It's a necessary evil I get it but I just it's not my mindset like with when I got off it and started writing I just saw how much more creativity I had when I got out of that. I don't know just toxic. Yeah, it is very toxic. So yeah, and I and I get it.
SPEAKER_00: We're in the industry and and It does work and helps, you know, especially if you're in retail fashion beauty and all that It's you know, there are certain industries that survive um and thrive but uh But yeah, we're in it so much. It's like
SPEAKER_01: It's just so much keeping up with the Joneses and I'm like, I don't need to do this. Like I want to see like, so I'm just, I try to keep mine just to really just photography stuff. And I'll, I have a photography account that's for the 35 millimeter and that's all it's going to be. And that's all I really use it for. And cause that's what it's supposed to be.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I mean, it's right. It's about imagery. Um, all right. So Christian last question, what three, what three things are you either watching, reading, or listening to? So it can be three shows or it can be three books or it can be one of each.
SPEAKER_01: All right. Shows. Okay.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I know.
SPEAKER_01: film or tv is it doesn't matter doesn't matter well just film all just all movies all the time um what's the latest movie you went to go see i went and saw i go almost every day i saw salt burn yesterday and that was fantastic it's very adult let's just say yes i've heard but it's wonderful it's it's very good it's very uh Stanley Kubrick-esque, but it's its own voice. It's not just copy and paste. And it's a female director, which is great. So she did a great job. The script's awesome. The performances are great. It's just, it makes you, when you walk out, I was thinking of this. I was like, this is a four and a half star movie for me, because I'm on Letterboxd and because I love Letterboxd. And I walked out of it and I was like, oh, I loved it. But I feel Ugh. But that's good. Like, I don't know if that was her intention, but I felt ugh. But I mean, in a good way. See, book-wise, oh gosh. Well, I got over the summer, I got this gigantic. I'm always I read like five books at a time. So it's a problem. But I'm reading the making of the Indiana Jones series. The Crystal Skull came out. So it was like a long like 2008. But it was just this used. It's huge.
SPEAKER_00: It's got all these like, it's like a coffee table book.
SPEAKER_01: All these drawings, and it's just the whole story of how they made it, which is one of the big inspiration.
SPEAKER_00: Did you see the last one? I saw it in the theater. I liked it.
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was too long, but I liked it.
SPEAKER_00: Okay. So my only, my only complaint about it, I did like, like, I felt like it was a nostalgic throwback to the original, you know, to like the earlier, um, it kind of gave a, uh, a hit to each of the earlier, you know, movies. Yeah. But I will say, I don't know, there was like a part of me that I felt like we were going to see it take a turn for a legacy, like a handoff or something. There was a Um, and I was, oh, I know what it was. The connection to, I thought it was going to bring it back to the very first one of the, of the arc. Um, cause it teased it with all like the, the Nazi, uh, and I thought that first, like the first, like 30 minutes set up, I was like, Oh my God, they're going to bring, it's going to connect it. to the arc. And when they didn't, I was like, man, that kind of bummed me out. And then not having it, it just ends with him. And then I was like, you know what, I think I'm okay with that closure. But I was kind of hoping they would do a, okay, who's the next?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Well, I think people are so and I think Harrison Ford's like, that's my character. Nobody else is playing that character.
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I'm like. I accept that.
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, fine, because he is he is that character. And I'm totally fine with it. But yeah, it was one of the things is a great I thought it was his. He was fantastic.
SPEAKER_00: He was fantastic. Well, and the and the CGI was.
SPEAKER_01: Well, there were a couple moments where it was like, oh, but I was like, I mean, really, I was like, overall, like the opening stuff, I thought was just Awesome.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Well, I thought the whole thing, like his face.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like I couldn't like, I know that like, no, it's good. It was very well done. I mean, well, I mean, they, they've started that with the Irishman. I mean, it was started before that, but even with like Martin Scorsese, the Irishman, like it was so well done with that. Yeah. I thought, I mean, I know there are people who picked it apart, but people will pick anything apart after the fact.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I think people didn't like, you know, like, were just because they I think they were hoping it would be have more of a who are ending. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01: I like the character study. I thought that's what was different for it. I thought, Oh, this is interesting. But he's also he's the he's in himself in his 80s. And the character supposed to be in his 70s. And it's like, this works for this, like, you know, you kind of have to do he's kind of he has to have like a a sidekick. I mean, he had a sidekick in Temple of Doom. It's fine. Like, I don't know. I like how they handled it. That it wasn't a, like, if they wanted to do characters with her, like, I could talk for an hour about this, but I like that. And I like, Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
SPEAKER_00: Oh my, she was fantastic. Yeah. She really was. Yeah. I like her a lot. So you got, so you have this coffee table book. I have a coffee table book. That doesn't include that movie. It's all up. Everything but that.
SPEAKER_01: And then it's like, well, those are the Spielberg ones. So it's like, it's fine. Those are the ones he directed and this one was James Mangold. So it's like, you know, it's, that's all right. Yeah. It's not included and you know, get the, get the separate book for that one. But It's just, I don't know, I really like the talking about an entrepreneur, George Lucas, his mindset, like with what he did, you know, he created the most successful film series in all of history. And you can take that as good or bad, whatever, however you want to look at it. But I mean, as a businessman, he's been extremely successful. And, you know, he also was willing to work with other people. He brought other people in to write these stories based on his ideas. Yeah, he's a great collaborator. I mean, At least it's the proofs in everything he's done.
SPEAKER_00: That's right. That's right. It's okay. Are there a podcast that you're listening to?
SPEAKER_01: Thank you. I mean, like kind of, I just, I don't know, I'm on the road and I'll start to listen to them, but I really will just like end up putting music on her and hold radio drama just because I want to do storytelling stuff. I'll listen to like funny stuff here and there, but like for the most part, it's like, I don't know. I'll just,
SPEAKER_00: What's on your Netflix series? What's the latest TV series you've been into? Not a big TV.
SPEAKER_01: Well, I like the boys. I'm not a big TV person.
SPEAKER_00: Did you watch the spinoff of Gen Z?
SPEAKER_01: I didn't watch the spinoff. Is it good?
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to tell you, I kind of like it better than the boys.
SPEAKER_01: Okay. I'll have to watch it then.
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, yeah. The characters were, cause the boys to me, season three, it got like, they kind of lost their way a little bit. The script kind of got a little, it's like they were just trying to be more. Uh, and, uh, let's be gross versus let's go deeper into characters. Let's go deeper into plot because the start of season three and the end of season three, nobody developed.
SPEAKER_01: like was season three was season two the one with um oh it's the main character i forget his name um well you got what the butcher and homelander but um was that the one with his the child and his wife and then season three goes into um uh
SPEAKER_00: the the sun, they're trying to protect him and keep him from. Homelander. From Homelander. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember much. And then you and then you had. Exactly. It's like the only thing that it was was, you know, very a lot of grotesque stuff, which is, you know, great for like cinema, you know, CGI and cinematography and like, you know, that kind of stuff. And then you had the introduction of Soldier Boy character.
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
SPEAKER_00: But there was nothing that was like even soldier character was like, well, well, that was kind of a fizzle.
SPEAKER_01: What do you do with that? It's it's Captain America and Captain America. Isn't that compelling? Well, I mean, although the Marvel movies, I think they did make him more interesting when they started those movies than you could with that kind of character.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. So it was just, you know, it was just Andrew, but yeah, Gen V, it was like they, I felt cause season one of the boys was fantastic. It really kept you hooked. You got in. I felt like Gen V, um, was similar to that of they did great characters, but the way that they set it up is the season one of Gen V, Is takes place, uh, right before. So it sets up season four of the boys. So from a timeline perspective, it, it, it starts at the end of season three of the boys. And that's the timeline of it. And it sets up season fours. Yeah. So the way that they tied those in was, I thought was, was fantastic. And, but the characters, just the whole plot and every episode kept you going. And now you're like, okay, okay, great. Now you're looking forward to season four of the boys. Cause now you want to find out what happened. in to the characters from Gen B. But yeah, I mean, I I enjoyed it. It was it was good. It was kind of because I was getting tired of a little bit like the season three. The boys kind of soured me a little bit of just like it's like, come on, we like story plot. Let's move along.
SPEAKER_01: That'll happen to me. It's like I'll just I would rather watch like that's why just like for me, just for me, like and I love some of the Marvel movies I've enjoyed, but For me, it's been one of those things of just, I just spectacle. And it's like the, just the same thing at the end, there's explosions and all of this stuff. Like I want something, I'll just watch characters in a room. Like last year's, I just picked it up on physical media, Daring or Not, King of the Whale. It's about four characters in a room and that's it. And I'm more interested in that than I am You know, and you know, for people, there are people that really love seeing their characters get together again on screen. And that's great. Right. I'm more interested in seeing characters I've never seen before interact with one another.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Well, I just like I like storylines. I like plots. I like, you know, whether it's comedy, drama, you know, rom-com, I just, you know, I need something with with. A a plot that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01: Well, that again was the whole thing with the podcast of going back to the drawing board. I was like, what do I do that makes this more interesting? So, you know, like, I was like, well, I need the, the, the, the personal, the dramas between the characters.
SPEAKER_00: There's got to be something that creates that friction.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And so I was just like, well, this is let's try and figure something out. And, you know, again, the Indiana Jones is a big inspiration for it. So I just decided to make two of the characters. They're divorced, but they're having to work together still. So that's that's a lot. That's friction. That's a drama. Like, that's right. Why is why are they still around each other?
SPEAKER_00: Like, what is everybody's got to be questioning? Like, what's going on? What's going to happen? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. I don't know. It just made it more interesting than just other friends. It's like, yeah, but there needs to be something else there.
SPEAKER_00: That's right. So that's right. Yeah. All right. Okay. So we're out of time.
SPEAKER_01: All right.
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and I say this every time. I was amazed at how fast this it goes. It like it just goes by so fast. So thanks for hanging out with us. But before we go, how do you want people to connect with you? Get a hold of you? Is there a website you want them to go to? Like, what do you want? What do you want to tell people?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that stuff. I mean, you can go to christianwallace.me. That's just my website. It's got everything about you, everything about their YouTube, Vimeo links, Instagram. There's acting stuff on there. There's cinematography reel on their films I've worked on trying to, you know, all that. So that's just like the one stop shop.
SPEAKER_00: So Christian Wallace dot m e dot m e. So one word dot m e. Yeah. All right.
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what dot m e is. I just it was an option. I was like, Oh, let's go with that.
SPEAKER_00: I see other people have it. I know it exists.
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what it stands for. That's horrible. I'm just like, it sounds weird. It's not you. It's better than dot biz or like dot net.
SPEAKER_00: It's right. It's right. Yeah. Dot IO or whatever. I don't know how many other dot. There's everything under the sun. We were looking at URLs the other day and I was like, my goodness, the amount of options there are. You can do like, you could do Christian Wallace dot life, Christian Wallace. That's good. That's a good one. Whatever. Yeah. Media dot media. Yeah, dot media. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you could have it all.
SPEAKER_01: It's whatever you want. I don't know why. It just is.
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